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Dealing with no job

MIKE McCLEARY/Tribune Erin Pale, an assembler at Bobcat, is unsure about her future at the Bismarck plant as the manufacturer begins a temporary shut down in production for six weeks. The single mother of a 14 year old son, Pale is also concerned once the shut down is over that she may loose her day shift schedule and be assigned to the grave yard shift. taken 12-9-2008.

Dec 14, 2008 - 08:53:02 CST

By CRYSTALR. REID
Bismarck Tribune

Erin Pehl is going on her 12th year at her company; she'd always had an eye on this business and had gone to college to make sure she got a job with them.

Her boyfriend, Stacy Pierson, works there, too, for about seven or eight years now, she said, but they're on separate shifts and have to take advantage of evening meals and family weekends for that basic human comfort of sharing a life with someone.

They'll be getting a lot more time together in the coming weeks starting Monday, though, although other comforts may soon be a little out of reach.

Pehl, sitting on a deep purple, cushy couch in her modest but immaculate central Bismarck home, is facing six weeks of unemployment as her employer, Bobcat Co., catches its breath and gets a hold on inventory levels that aren't going anywhere.

What worries her most doesn't seem to be the things they've had to cut back on, but what they may have to do in the future. Bobcat, after cutting 150 workers through voluntary severance packages, will start realigning shifts to fill those vacancies. That could mean that one or both of them, Pehl or Pierson, would end up on the 3 to 11 p.m. shift. Which would mean they'd never see each other, and their kids -a 10-year-old daughter and 14-year-old son-will be raising themselves.

The thought is making her sick, Pehl said. One of them will have quit and move on if they both get moved to the second shift; to what job and where, she doesn't know.

But they haven't received their new shift assignments yet, and for now, the family is focusing on living on unemployment benefits for the next six weeks, as will most hourly workers at the Bismarck plant. According to Job Service North Dakota, workers are eligible to receive up to about $406 a week, each. Workers also get about a week of paid vacation around the holidays, something that's in their union contract already.

This is the longest shutdown the workers have ever dealt with, a sign of a troubled economy, less consumer spending and a disastrous drop in demand for the high-priced products Bobcat is pushing.

The workers thought something like this was coming, although they never really anticipated the depth and length of the shutdown. Pehl said production had slowed dramatically compared to last winter, but most workers had hoped there would just be minimal cutbacks. In fact, Pehl said, there were several, smaller shutdowns scheduled throughout the winter.

But Bobcat had bigger ideas to help cut costs:shut down the Gwinner and Bismarck plants from Dec. 15 to Feb. 2, and reduce the Bismarck workforce by about 150 people. During the shutdown, some hourly workers will help maintain the machinery, said Nikki Bruce with Bobcat, and most salaried workers will remain online to work with customers.

"Everybody stopped and was like, 'What's going on?'"Pehl said about the morning the workers began to hear the news. "It was pretty extensive."

Now, about 530 workers are facing six weeks of unemployment pay. Some may take part-time, temporary jobs to fill the financial and work voids; others are watching their budgets as they plan to live below their normal means.

At Pehl's house, they've explained to the kids that they'll only get one present each this year, and maybe some smaller things if they can afford it.

"We're lucky that they have really great grandparents,"she said.

Their family nights are less extravagant, more thrifty:They've gone from renting movies, buying candy and ordering pizza to spending time on home-cooked meals and opting for less junk food. They rarely eat out, she said.

But they're a solid family, and the time away from work will give them all more time together; instead of paying for busing, the kids will get driven to and from school and activities. Some recreational sports are too expensive right now, but the children seem to understand when they hear "no." They have stringent rules to save electricity and water, too: lights off when they're not in use, and the kids get a 10-minute shower limit.

"Everything is in the back of your mind, as far as financials go,"Pehl said, sitting in a dark living room as the light faded from outside. Electricity costs may get harder to control as the days get shorter.

Again, though, most of her anxiety about this shutdown and the recent force reduction is over the potential for shift changes and what that means for her family at home and at work, where she's worked with the same group of people for more than a decade.

Jeremy Bauer, president of the Bismarck United Steelworkers Union Local 566 and a worker at the plant, said the union is working with the company as much as they can to get as many people on day shifts as possible.

But workers are still nervous that there may be more cuts in the future, although the company has seemed confident that there will be work once the plant reopens in February.

"That should be a sustainable number for the rest of us when we come back,"Bauer said, referring to the amount of workers for the amount of actual work. "That's my hopes, that we don't have to see any more layoffs when we come back."

(Reach reporter Crystal R. Reid at 250-8261 or at crystal.reid@bismarcktribune.com.)

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USW To USW wrote on Dec 21, 2008 9:42 PM:

" To the highly educated people who continually bash us: We build, excavators, Tooolcat 5600's and S70 skidsteer loaders, I'm sure you are very bright as your post will show, but we do not build Silverados, F150s, or GMC Sierra's so if you have a beef with the auto industry and the UAW that builds our American vehicles, you need to go to there local pulication and jabbber your loose lips! We are the USW and build the Bobcat Brand! Any Questoins? "

To Photographer wrote on Dec 21, 2008 6:26 PM:

" That 10 percent is only an average of man hours that are needed to produce that product. It does not take in affect other expenses such as arbitrations, severance wages, and other costs that are related to collective bargining unions. You are correct about supplies being the most costly part of manufactoring, but are usually hard to control. "

photographer wrote on Dec 21, 2008 10:40 AM:

" Why does it seem everybody that has posted a comment about the automotive industry blame the union for the problems. You need to go back and read the post that states only 10% of the cost of a vehicle is labor. I dont know what percentage it is at Bobcat, but I know it is about the same. So therefore 90% is materials, building, property, supplies etc. So maybe there suppliers should be blamed for there cost of supplies trying to get rich off the automotive industry. Just like the businesses that charged the federal govt. $400 for a $20 hammer years ago. "

To USW wrote on Dec 21, 2008 10:20 AM:

" It looks like the union really did wonders for the auto industry! Guess what, that will just be the start of it. Unions are becoming powerless! "

USW wrote on Dec 20, 2008 11:01 PM:

" To Bismarck: Maybe they should have started a union! Then they could be "wealthy" like us Bobcat employees! "

Bismarck wrote on Dec 20, 2008 4:31 PM:

" I am in agreement with Mandan. What about the 300+ people that have been laid off at the Northern Plains Commerce Center. They are in worse shape than the BOBCAT employees. And they are not getting as much unemployment as the BOBCAT employees. So we need to realize that the BOBCAT employees are not the only ones affected by this, they are just the ones that are paid top dollar! "

To Mike P R wrote on Dec 20, 2008 10:47 AM:

" There is one mistake in your posting.

The workers do not pay into the unemployment fund.

It is the employer that pays into the unemployment fund. "

Mandan wrote on Dec 20, 2008 10:07 AM:

" Why is it that it is always an article about how hard the Bobcat workers have it? I see many of the comments here that are negative are because it is about Bobcat workers so I think if the Tribune would have done the story about another family going through this from another business then it may have gotten the actual point across. Yes there are many things happening around the country BUT ND is not as bad off as most all other states and yes there are many jobs available even seasonal for those laid off. I have been in that position but I also had the forethought that life has many ups and downs and you need to be prepared for anything. I have noticed that there are so many young families with the new home, two new cars, camper/motorhome, boat, ATV's, snowmobiles, etc but do they pay themselves first? You know set up a savings for things like this? I look at all the new homes near me and I know that many of them are living way beyond their means. It is awful that these lay offs had to happen but it is life and hopefully those that are only laid off are able to get back to work after the 6 weeks and those that don't are able to find something else soon. There are too many people out there that have an entitlement attitude and need everything now and that is not the way to live. I have lived on half or less than what they are making on unemployment so I know it can be done and if it started to get tight I just got a part time job, they are out there. If the unemployment is not enough for any of these families then get a seasonal or other part time job for now. Hope things get better for everyone soon! "

Merry Christmas wrote on Dec 20, 2008 9:20 AM:

" There are plenty of jobs here in the area for these workers to supplement their income during the shut down. Sure it may not be the $21/hr they are use to getting but at least it is something. It would also help the local business to keep thier doors open if they had the workers during the holiday season. Everyone says Bismarck is such a close and caring community, if that is the case then the Bobcat employees should do their part to help out and pick up some of those part time jobs for the season. It is better then feeling sorry for yourself. Prove to everyone that this isn't just a vaction. You still have all your benefits and a job to go to. That is huge! I do have a inside picture on all of this so I do hear what eveyone says. "

Snap wrote on Dec 19, 2008 8:43 PM:

" First come the layoffs, then come the foreclosures! Mark my words! It's coming Bismarck! "

Mike P R wrote on Dec 19, 2008 8:05 PM:

" So the family is collecting on uneployment insurance, big deal ! is'nt that what it is there for . After all, all paid workers pay into it. The artical explains how the family is makeing the best of a bad situation on their own. Now would you people who think Bobcat employees are so underworked and overpaid feel better if they all just went on welfare, heating assitance, food stamps, free hot lunch, WIC and whatever else free loaders can get in this society. Bismarckers will soon see the true meaning of " trickel down effect" . "

IN the MIX wrote on Dec 19, 2008 1:31 PM:

" First up yes I do work for Bobcat, so yes I do have an idea what I'm saying. Your right we do get $406.00 per week from unemployment BEFORE taxes (as does anyone else on unemployment.) That equals out to $1,624.00 per month. Normally in a month at 160 hours (40 per week) a welder at Bobcat will bring home $2,455.32 after all deductions. Now granted alot of Bobcat employees do tend to live a little close to the line if not over it. I know alot of my fellow workers that have the house, car, truck, boat, camper, ATV, and snowmobile payments to make. And they wonder how there going to make those payments. Are they living outside there means? Maybe, maybe not, I don't know there entire income situation. I can tell you that with what I pay in House, utility, and the one car payment I make plus my child support, yes I will be struggling over the next few weeks. To my union brothers and sisters I wish you luck and a merry christmas, to everyone else that is finding things tight as well I wish you luck, and a merry christmas as well. "

photographer wrote on Dec 19, 2008 10:29 AM:

" underpaid the max a Bobcat employee can get in unemployment is $406, as a matter of fact that is the most anybody can get in unemployment. Yes there are alot getting that amount, but there are also many getting less than that and by the time you pay your taxes out of that you probally only get $325/week. I know that is more than alot of people make working 40 hours, but as stated in an earlier post no matter how much you make when you have a significant pay cut you have to make adjustments. Most people live according to there income, some above it and cant adjust. "

underpaid wrote on Dec 19, 2008 8:32 AM:

" Wow, I never knew how underpaid I was. According to Job Service, Bobcat employees are averaging $408 per week in benefits during the layoff. That is about what I make in my full time job. Who is crying about Bobcat employees not making much money? I can't even imagine how much money they make while employed. Anyone from Bobcat care to switch jobs with me? Maybe then I could give up my part time jobs. "

Blessings wrote on Dec 18, 2008 10:45 PM:

" To Bobcat Family,
Blessings to you and the others. I am in my 8-9 week of unemployment (another business) and it has been creative to say the least (I have just found another job) so will finally get to start over. Homemade gifts are the best by the way, of which my kid and I have done as well, but I managed to buy a few as well. I use the same decorations years after year, just get creative with them, and they still look beautiful! We are blessed with far more than many here - family, friends, and a good outlook (yours is very refreshing! Bravo!) "

fuzzhezy wrote on Dec 18, 2008 5:36 PM:

" I laugh at you who think that Bobcat is such a great job. It does not pay worth crap if you live in Bismarck. Bobcat is an average job if you would go anywhere else. Bismarck residents need to realize that there is more to life than Bismarck. It is an expensive town that pays there employees below average. Move somewhere else once and realize what you have been missing. My lord, get a life. "

Online Editor wrote on Dec 18, 2008 4:43 PM:

" To Critic: I can offer some guidance, but it would have to be either by email or phone. Jason Lueder - 250-8291 or jason.lueder@bismarcktribune.com "

Online Editor wrote on Dec 18, 2008 2:45 PM:

" To Critic: Name calling "

To Dubbles wrote on Dec 18, 2008 1:39 PM:

" I was thinking excatly the same thought Dubbles. Put those union dues to work. And if there is enough to go around then the brothers and sisters should help each other. I can't believe every single person in the union is struggling. Spread the wealth a bit internally inthe union. Help each other out personally. I thought that is part of being brothers and sisters that are unified. I would help out my siblings in whatever means possible. "

dawg wrote on Dec 18, 2008 12:50 PM:

" I was an employee at bobcat and no longer have my job. I have a family of my own and I cant believe that this person is whining about how her and her boyfriend, who both work at bobcat, are gonna make it over the 6 week layoff . What about those of us that will not return to bobcat that wanted to continue working there. Granted some of us wanted to move on outside of bobcat, there were more us that didnt want to have to leave, left with no choice but to have a real reason to whine. Maybe this person should have thought about that. Its amazing how greedy some people are. "

Dubbles wrote on Dec 18, 2008 11:52 AM:

" With bobcat employees paying union dues why doesnt the union help in paying them. Even if its not alot of money every two weeks, its still something. If I was paying dues and something like this happened, I would expect to get some money back from the union. "

work a second job wrote on Dec 18, 2008 9:16 AM:

" Maybe workers are not aware you can legally make %60 of your benifits. Take on a part time job. Thats almost $250 a week in extra pay. Alot of part imte jobs around. "

Schadenfreude wrote on Dec 18, 2008 9:07 AM:

" Watching the economy right now is exactly like watching a trainwreck - hard to not be mesmerized by the horror. "

Bobcat Family wrote on Dec 18, 2008 8:35 AM:

" Thanks to all that expressed concern. We will have a great Christmas this year with home made cookies and candy, presents for the grandkids, etc. Decorations are at the bare minimun - nothing new. It will be tough for us with taxes coming, insurance due, etc. but we can all make the best of it. My husband is working around the house and catching up on things we neglected.
We never did eat out, watch movies, drink, etc. so we have always lived on the bare mininum and nothing has changed about our spending habits except Christmas will be more home made things and presents will be half of other years.

May you all have your health and family and make many holiday memories.

I sympathize with the family in this article, things are uncertain and stress runs high. Take care, may we all have jobs next year.

The economy affects everyone, no one realizes it until it hits home.

Snap - try to relax and enjoy the holidays, pleasure is not derived from others misfortune, it comes from the heart. "

Socks wrote on Dec 18, 2008 7:42 AM:

" Another large employer in the area had some job eliminations and re-org yesterday. We are not immune to the national events. "

Christine wrote on Dec 18, 2008 6:25 AM:

" Wow, I can't believe the negativity directed towards Bobcat workers by bloggers such as Billybob and Snap. Just a little bit jealous maybe? "

Justathought wrote on Dec 17, 2008 9:09 PM:

" To Common Sense:
Your "little" comment on your number 1 proves my point. If you are in fact accurate with your salary estimate, then why can't this family afford more than one gift, rent movies, un-timed showers etc. with the money they should have saved making much more than $400 a week. It is only 6 weeks, with one being vacation pay in there. You should always save for a rainy day! "

Another one wrote on Dec 17, 2008 9:03 PM:

" BTW: A family of four with about $850/mo in mortgage/prop. taxes and insurance begins to qualify for assistance at $14.42/hr. (ND website calculator) The years of mandatory OT dried up sometime ago- Some of those "Bobcat guys" with all the stuff were spending 60 or more hours/week at work. I think this is going to hurt the local economy more than some of the you realize.......once again - best of luck to you who are staying on..... "

Another one wrote on Dec 17, 2008 8:54 PM:

" Another xzy. Originally getting hired by Bobcat is NOT always the "luck of the draw" - or who you know. My spouse was offered a job ON THE SPOT after writing the maintenance test - he knows his stuff. After 20 years of damaged joints from heavy repetative lifting, rashes, pneumonia, foot and ankle problems and night shift he too RIF'd. Lots of places advertising, but not many hiring right now. We will be alright - I hope those who stayed will still have a job a year from now. Best of luck to all of you. "

Snap wrote on Dec 17, 2008 7:13 PM:

" I wish I worked at Bobcat! I would spend my 6 week vacation in Acapulco, and I could afford it too! And I'd lay on that beach and be grateful to my employer that I could! "

XYZ wrote on Dec 17, 2008 3:47 PM:

" Whenever I told anyone what my fiance did for a living, they all said 'Wow, he makes good money!' Yes, it is good money-IF you have your car(s), house paid off, money in savings and a little extra to do whatever. That is not our case. He took the RIF because he was getting sick-literally sick there. I'm not talking sick of the place, I'm talking sinus infections, coughing for no reason because of all the coolant and other things in the air that the company said they would fix, but haven't. I might not have been happy that he quit after 23 years but he'll be alot healthier. "

Independent wrote on Dec 17, 2008 12:32 PM:

" I have no idea what it would be like to be laid off, but I do have one suggestion. That is to set up a savings account to offset any lay off, and try your hardest not to touch it until that time.

I use to sell cars, and I had great months and poor months, but my wife was smart and put so much away each month to help offset the poor months. I know have a steady income at another job, but we have an account set aside still that if one of us would lose our job, we have up to 3 months of income equal to what the higher income producer makes. I suggest that once you return to work, set up an account to help with this situation for when it happens again.

I hope you all still have a Merry Christmas and Happier New Year! "

Ann wrote on Dec 17, 2008 12:15 PM:

" I'm appalled that there's so much negativity posted here. I re-read the article after reading all the comments, and I don't for one instance get a sense that this family is "whining" about having less money. What I see is that they have chosen to make this situation work for them the best they can, by cutting down on expenses (not eating out, not being so extravagant with Christmas presents, etc.) Just because they feel they should cut back, doesn't mean they have been irresponsible in their spending. Perhaps they're just making adjustments because of the uncertainty the future holds. It seems that the thing that concerns them most is the potential for the shift change, which would mean very little time with their family. How can anyone possibly take someone to task for that? While my husband, after 11+ years of employment at Bobcat decided to take the RIF for other employment, with greater potential for advancement and stability, my thoughts are with all the employees of Bobcat, and elsewhere, who have lost their jobs, temporary or not. These are tough times for a lot of people, and I think the Tribune chose to focus on this one Bobcat family as just an example of how the economic times are affecting many of us. I hope people can quit with the bashing of all involved and just wish for the best for everyone. "

Personal discretion wrote on Dec 17, 2008 11:30 AM:

" Bobcat Family - You are completely right and my comments weren't intended to reflect the situation faced by all Bobcat employees. The story was written to reflect this one, individual familie's situation and my comments were based accordingly. Any family that has their income slashed dramatically through no fault of their own has my deepest sympathy and I understand their concern and fright for their future. This story simply reinforces the fact that everyone needs to plan ahead for the unexpected...I deal with so many families that live from paycheck to paycheck...and no, I'm not just talking about people earning a little over minimum wage...most of them have learned to live lean. It's the people with better paying jobs or higher middle class that have better credit...can buy more toys, a more expensive house, a newer car...that have problems usually. The saying goes "the more you make, the more you spend" and that's the sad truth. "

Bobcat Family wrote on Dec 17, 2008 10:37 AM:

" I understand that you think $800.00 a week is good money but not everyone will be making that much, some of these families only have one person working at Bobcat, in fact very few spouses both work there together.

Think about $400.00/week and still owe taxes on this - $1600.00/month to make medical, perscription, mortgage, toilet paper, food, etc.

Walk a mile in our shoes before you think life is so good on the other side of the fence.

Have a healthy & Merry Christmas.

PS. Our grandchildren will be getting things made by Grandpa & Grandma this year. "

Emmy wrote on Dec 17, 2008 10:35 AM:

" Most of you are assuming that this couple makes $800/week in unemployment, if you read the article closer you will see it says "up to $460/week". Get it "UP TO", that doesn't mean they actually get that. It states no where here what this couple makes a week in unemployment so don't assume they are just "livin the good life" right now. I agree with "x", 38% pay decrease is huge no matter who you are or what standard of living you have. For pete's sake, show a little kindness around the holidays. Times are tough all over, we shouldn't be nit-picking at each other about a problem many of us didn't have control over. Merry Christmas and the best to all of you and your families. "

Bismarcker wrote on Dec 17, 2008 10:29 AM:

" To x: I apologize. I wasn't taking taxes into account so you're right. That is a significant cut in pay. Fortunately, I have a decent enough job to keep the household going while hubby is laid off. Now I'm depressed. Good thing I start my Christmas shopping in October. "

Xavier wrote on Dec 17, 2008 10:04 AM:

" I TOTALLY AGREE with "Personal Discretion". My husband worked in the medical field for years where he worked the 3-11 shift and I worked days just so we could save on daycare. That was when wages were even less. He also worked everyother weekend. This was done to save money. At that time we both were making less then $10/hr and had twins. There was a lot of family time with just one parent in order to save money. I have heard of a lot of people that do Christmas funds. I myself don't but should and see the benefit from it. I seriously doubt that there will only be one present in this household for the kids. Why make the kids suffer if the parents did not plan well enough. "

Personal discretion wrote on Dec 17, 2008 9:08 AM:

" Okay...I'm feel very bad for any family that is faced with lay-offs and an uncertain future, but this story is just a little more than I can stomach. We have two adults who have worked at the same company for several years and have been making some of the better wages in the area...because of their shifts they don't see each other other than dinner during the weeks, but have their family weekends "for that basic human comfort of sharing a life with someone." How is that any different that what most families experience these days? Because of the lay-off they can only afford one present for each child this year? Ever heard of planning ahead of time or starting a Christmas club account? You will still have over $800 a week cash in hand and no work-related expenses...go out and find a temporary part-time job if you need extra cash. There are many, many families in this area that earn well below $800/week year-round...and they have to pay for daycare besides! Maybe this family will realize just how lucky they are... "

Missing the Point wrote on Dec 17, 2008 7:00 AM:

" I think many here are missing the point. The story is about what is actually happening Nationwide is now starting to happen here.
I don't work at Bobcat, but am in the same boat. On the other hand, a single parent - trying to find "SUITABLE" work to make a living for the 2 of us, which includes health insurance, and will allow me to make our monthly payment *we don't have cable - we don't eat out - we have NO luxuries except a car) I know how important is is to have insurance with a chronic illness the RX's are very expensive, with children (like Bobcat Family said) and yah - I cannot believe how uch grocery prices have gone up!! WoW! We eat soup a lot, it lasts a few days, and is filling and has all the food groups in it. I am with you Bobcat Family - blessings to you and everyone else in the same boat. (We're hoping Santa brings Mom a job soon!) "

USW wrote on Dec 16, 2008 11:41 PM:

" To ABC: You have some valid points without a doubt, I won't agree with them all but some are good. I am an hourly employee at Bobcat, as far as us Union members making way to much money sounds like you are splitting hairs. All of the mines in ND make atleast $10.00 per hour more than we do and there is one that isn't Union and they make just as much. As far as selling ourselves to the company, I would guess 95% of us hourly have been pushing for profit sharing for several years and it hasn't got anywhere! Also, on the paid what your worth comment kudos, but that isn't how it works at Bobcat. We are a Bargaining Unit with a 4 year contract. Plus the place reaks of nepotism, so if daddy is your forman and you don't do what your suppose to it will get passed on to next guy! Thank you "

x wrote on Dec 16, 2008 11:26 PM:

" for all of you bickering about money..... my net pay at bobcat is right around $1000-1100 biweekly. the net amount of my unemployment check is $325. so, approx $2100 per month vs $1300 per month.

you can be on either side of this "fight". but you put yourself in the shoes of missing out on $800 per month. for alot of us, that's a mortgage payment. i dont care how much you do or dont make......you get dependent on that income.

or look at it this way. $2100 vs $1300. that is a about a 38% decrease in income. whether you net $1500/month, $5000/month, or $10000/month...........38% is a big pay cut. "

ABC wrote on Dec 16, 2008 10:22 PM:

" My biggest issue with the union is their constant demand for higher wages. I don't have an issue with companies with paying higher wages when they are earned. But to sit and bicker because they don't get a big raise when the CEO gets this big bonus when business is good is just pathetic. Might I make a suggestion. How about when the next union contract rolls round the union try to sell themselves a bit to the company. If I was the union I would sit at the table during negotiations and say in order for us to get this nice hefty raise you will see improvement in productivity and quality from union members by a certain percentage. We will do whatever it takes to get the highest quality product at the lowest cost to the customer. Try selling yourselves a bit. Make yourselves look like you are truely needed to make the company succeed. Simply showing up for work on time and having to be hounded by your supervisor to get back to work does not constitue means for raise. Oh and I do fault the company in one aspect. Demand from the union that all pay increases be based on an individual basis. Giving the same pay increase to all is just asking for less productiviy and poorer quality. Gee let me think what I would do if I was a laborer and see the guy next to me not doing a darn thing all day and me busting my back and we both get the same pay increase at the end of the year. Come on. "

ABC wrote on Dec 16, 2008 10:05 PM:

" I agree NDGREEZE. Union workers are overpaid! Look at the government bail auto in the auto industry. I got the opportunity to watch the senate hearing a few weeks ago and was impressed when the one senator who proposed to the union that in order for the auto companies to continue to get aid after a certain deadline early next spring the union leaders must prosose to their brothers and sisters and that they get pay reductions so that they are in line with the rest of the industry standard. I was impressed with the senator for that he spoke how he was a big union guy in his other lifetime and now he feels union members today are overpaid. I was not to over impressed with Mr. Butterfingers (the union representive at the hearing). All he could do is keep referencing that poor sob letter from some union member how they had trouble making ends meet. I thought part of the being a card caring member was to get help from your brothers and sisters in time of need. "

photographer wrote on Dec 16, 2008 9:38 PM:

" Bismarcker and common sense, the $406 dollars still has to have taxes taken out from it as it is still income. So depending on the wage group an employee is in, yes that $406 wil be less than half of the gross earnings not net earmings after you would take taxes out. "

Online Editor wrote on Dec 16, 2008 3:01 PM:

" To winter: All comments are reviewed for taste and tone. Comments that are nasty won't be posted. Usually it's not what is said, but how it is written that determines whether comments are posted or not. Please don't attack the family in the story, focus on the bigger issue of the layoff instead. Their personal situation has little to do with the current plant shut down. "

Winter wrote on Dec 16, 2008 2:49 PM:

" Seems to me you are only posting people who feel sorry for this couple instead of the other way. If there are both sides to this story and opinions then why can't the rest of us make our own judgement. What about the people who have not jobs at all. "

Online Editor wrote on Dec 16, 2008 2:38 PM:

" To to Editor: Please read the posting rules above - all comment are reviewed for taste and tone. The Tribune is a supporter of freedom of speech. On this site we choose to limit comments with parameters that encourage civil discourse. "

Bobcat Family wrote on Dec 16, 2008 2:02 PM:

" First of all my last comment was never posted. Our family is being hit hard with two members of the family being laid off, remember it its not only the Bobcat workers it is Minlo, etc. that have contracts with Bobcat. Not everyone is getting fairly good unemployment checks, some are getting half that and have a family to raise also.

JEALOUSY runs rampant on these blogs, mostly by people that have nothing better to do than run others down that work hard for a living. Our family needs the medical benefits to help pay for perscriptions, etc. Not everyone is as perfect and healthy as some of you claim to be. Yes we saved what we could if something happens to our jobs but now we NEED to pay the bills, perscriptions and try to put high priced food on the table.

Many of you need to GROW UP & GET A LIFE OF YOUR OWN INSTEAD OF DOTING ON OTHERS MISFORTUNE.

May the Holidays keep all of you in good health. Merry christmas "

Bismarcker wrote on Dec 16, 2008 1:22 PM:

" To "Common Sense." I don't know where you get your info but my husband doesn't bring home a whole lot more than what is offered through unemployment. When you say $406 a week is less than half of what the employees out there make, you are sadly and greatly mistaken. "

Common Sense wrote on Dec 16, 2008 11:32 AM:

" I have to laugh at some of you people who make your little comments with out knowing the facts.
1.The $406 a week is less than 1/2 the wages the employees would make it they were working even without any overtime.
2. Bobcat makes a great product and has great skilled workers.
3. This is just a little bump in the road, due to the world economy and thinks will be back to normal early next year.
4. Doosan will never move the Bobcat plants out of the US. They know what is best for their bottom line.
5. Bobcat management need an overhaul. "

lutefisk wrote on Dec 16, 2008 11:03 AM:

" Selling of the business - If you want to see dwindling down a company just look what Ingersoll Rand did. Doosan wants to be in the construction equipment business and wants to grow, IR just took incentives to start facilities in Czech and China and ran away leaving shells of the business they were selling off. With the changing exchange rates and wildly changing global market it continues to be shown that you can't make large equipment overseas and ship it around the world. Regardless of low wages overseas, companies can't pay large shipping fees and have that much inventory floating on the water for a month. You need to make the equipment in the area it is sold. Bobcat will be OK in North Dakota as long as demand in North America is there. "

Bismarcker wrote on Dec 16, 2008 10:52 AM:

" The only person who got it right here was "To Union." His/her comments on where the problems with corporate lie were right on. It's not the unions trying to get Joe Blow a decent salary -- it's the corporate CEO's and all their assistants trying to earn multimillion dollar salaries and bonuses that equal a few years pay for most of us. The people in this article are bleeding a little because if they think they can't make it on their unemployment -- give me a break. You're probably making more than you did working. I am also a Bobcat family and we are in no trouble unless come February 2nd, Doosan doesn't reopen the plant. Also, your 10-year old and 14-year old are old enough to do some raising of themselves after school. You can make arrangements. I did. Oh and one last thing -- I thought the governor was going to lower our property taxes. Mine just went up $1000. "

Law wrote on Dec 16, 2008 10:46 AM:

" Worker, everyone pays taxes, net pay is what it is. If your check isn't big enough to live on then you need to A) Work another job, B) Cut your expenses, A person can raise a family on your salary but you have to prioritize. Your kids can get student loans, they can work and SAVE money for college, it is not your obligation to provide that for them. Make them work for it and they will be better off, spending their money and their time will make them work harder towards their goal of an education. Cut out the entitlement crap and your kids will prosper. "

Ward Cleaver wrote on Dec 16, 2008 7:37 AM:

" To NDNATIVE:
You whine about the greedy employers. Put your money where your mouth is, open a business, and pay each of your employees $50/hour. What? You cant do that? What would you do differently? Its called REALITY.

To worker most workers have taxes, medical, and probably retirement taken out of their checks. Whats different at Bobcat besides union dues? Youre lucky to have medical and retirement. Many dont.

Unions tend to create an entitlement-mentality, but as we are seeing now, jobs are not an entitlement. Times are really tough in other parts of the country. We are not immune here, as the article shows, and it might get a lot worse before it gets better. Toughen up we can all get through this. "

Selling off US business wrote on Dec 16, 2008 6:30 AM:

" When Bobcat was sold to a Asian company, one could almost speculate that this was going to happen. It would not be out of the ordinary to see them take it overseas where they wont have to deal with Union and/or just paying employees what they are worth. They would just as soon pay their own people $20/month than keep the Americans working that built that company. I truely believe, that no one should be surprised if they keep dwindling the business down.
Call it a Conspiracy Theory - but like I said....another sell out of an American made company. Bye bye (We should not allow foriegn companies buy our businesses) "

wow wrote on Dec 16, 2008 12:00 AM:

" How sad......I read a few times comments here of, "My union brothers and sisters".
What does that make the rest of us??? Lesser people? Aunts and Uncles? Grandparents? People you don't care about?

Unemployment affects both union and non-union workers, in case you hadn't noticed. Difference is......I betcha union workers make a lot more hourly and get a lot higher unemployment compensation.

My compassion is with everyone that is laid off and unemployed---------non-union and union alike.

Me........I work 12 to 14 hour days. I'm salaried, which would be good pay if I worked normal 8 hour days..........I won't even figure out what I actually make hoursly doing these long hours. Don't even want to know.......
I am just grateful to have a job that I enjoy.

My job takes me away from my family at all hours of the day. My job knows no Monday through Friday. It's 7 days a week,,,,,,,many nights and weekends. But I do what I gotta do, and I'm not complaining.

$800 a WEEK in unemployment benefits and being able to spend precious time with the kids is a nothing to sneeze at.
Being able to go back to work and make double that is nothing to sneeze at.

That's far more income than many of us that work a lot more hours bring in.
Be grateful. "

photographer wrote on Dec 15, 2008 10:19 PM:

" I see that Best Buy has offered a buy out to 4000 of the people in there head quarters in minneapolis. Wonder how many will take it and how many will get booted out. I suppose that someone out there will blame there union for this, wait they are not union... oh well. "

photographer wrote on Dec 15, 2008 8:53 PM:

" Everyone talks about going back to work in 6 weeks. In my opinion that is not guaranteed. With the inverntory levels from being pushed by management to get built before the shutdown and with the number of machines being sold per day they could shutdown for about 12 weeks before running out of inventory. I also believe that if things would unfortunatly take another bad turn that they would lay more off before returning to work. The company also during the shutdown are sending letters to the people that have to start working different shifts, they could not even tell them to there face. "

worker wrote on Dec 15, 2008 5:23 PM:

" people at bobcat may make a decent wage but it's the luck of the draw when you get hired. when you look at our base salary and what we have taken out of our checks for med, union dues, taxes, and retirement their really ain't much left if your supporting a family of four or five and your spouse only makes min. wage. then like when our kids go to college like me i have to pay for most of it out of my pocket do you no you get loans and grants. then when your laid off i still pay. and besides most people that do not work there are mad because they aren't working there. JUST THE LUCK OF WHO GETS HIRED AND WHO DOESN'T! "

NDFREEZE wrote on Dec 15, 2008 2:54 PM:

" There are tons of part time or full time jobs out there for people. I picked up a part time job at the local Walmart making double digits per hour.
I blame the unions, these people are way overpaid, my old job had a union press room -- the paper cutters made $16 bucks an hour, 8 years ago -- all because the union forced the company to pay that much -- people should get paid what the job is really worth -- look what the unions are doing to our auto industry -- the more they get paid the more a vehicle costs. For the ones complaining about the minimum wage talk to the legislators -- we have the 4th lowest min. wage in the country "

Mike P R wrote on Dec 15, 2008 2:43 PM:

" Erin, Stacy and all my union brothers and sisters don't let these negative , degradeing comments get you down exspecially dureing these tough times our country is going through . As we leave 2008 behind us and enter a new year it is time we all employed and unemployed alike pull up our boot straps and Just like Erin and Stacy we will get past this. Just remember it is'nt the work force of Bobcat , GM , Ford or any other part of this country that got us into this mess in the first place. Erin your story speaks for many of us THANK YOU ! for doing this interview. Please Know that you can hold your head high. AS for those of you that get to sit down and have supper with your families tonight please think of those who are out putting it on the table fo the rest of theirs.Merry Christmas! "

Michael Holmes wrote on Dec 15, 2008 12:49 PM:

" I am not big on blogging but this story is as concerned citizen says an article to bring the attention to the fact of what is going on in North Dakota. That we are not any less affected by the recession than any other state. There will be more hard times ahead for everyone, so we much think positive, and be good neighbors to those whom have been affected by the down turn. "

JJ wrote on Dec 15, 2008 12:26 PM:

" Seriously, why is this family even complaining at all? Be happy! At least in 6 weeks they still "have a job" to go back to. Get over it and stop your whining! Make other arrangements. This is all a part of life. It always has been. To see couples pass like two ships in the night. I didn't plan on losing my job from a lay off either 6 months ago. I didn't get the chance or the opportunity to get a recall on my job, and I certainly don't receive over $400 per week in unemployment checks to live off of. Wheres my empathy? I would love to have Christmas with my family too. No money for gifts,not even one for my family. "

concerned citizen wrote on Dec 15, 2008 10:41 AM:

" I think everyone has been missing what this article was meant to represent. This family didn's seek out attention from the media, they were asked to do it as a curteousy to their union. This family is only a representation of alot of what is going on throughout the community. Why are there people out there dogging them for making the community aware not specifically of their situation but alot of people's situation. Come on people do you not have better things to do then to see only the negative of this article and not see what the bigger picture is?? This was not meant to show pitty on one family. They are not looking for a hand out. They just wanted to help!! Good Grief!!! "

believe it wrote on Dec 15, 2008 5:43 AM:

" Are you kidding Susy?
You apparently are not aware that just because there are Now Hiring signs does notmean that job will sustain someone. OR - that they will hire someone.
I am sure that one minimum wage job is only 1 of 3 that a person will need at that wage to sustain themselves and family. I am not sure what kind of bubble you live in, but the average rent around town is now about 650-700/mo without utilities.Lets start adding in a car payment, insurance (cuz these jobs do not provide insurance), medical bills, maybe prescriptions, ummmmm - gas for the car, insurance for the car, food (no eating out now cant afford it), NO cable TV, No phone, Well let see - were at about 2100-2400 a month of NO-frills livin honey. At $8 an hour -taxes were at $962.00/mo. I know youre a smart lady, but help me out here which part of the $2100-2400 are we going to pay with that $8/hr job? Unemployment pays more than $8/hr, something a little messed up there isnt it? Do some research before you make goofy comments "

to unemployed workers wrote on Dec 15, 2008 1:25 AM:

" There are a few mall jobs that are still hiring for seasonal help thru the end of January. I'm also laid off at Bobcat and will start a part-time job Monday. You might want to consider doing banquet waitressing, they pay well and are very busy over the holiday season. You still will get your unemployment with these part-time jobs. At least we can make $400 a week not working, a person working min. wage works alot harder and never sees $400 a week. If you wouldn't want to work for a mall job or waitress, how about advertise to clean people's homes for the holidays, people pay well when they are in such a pinch to get ready for the Holidays. "

Show Some Compassion wrote on Dec 14, 2008 11:45 PM:

" I feel bad for the family in this story and anybody else who looses thier job. Times are tough! And "SNAP" should show a little compassion. This family is probably like many others living paycheck to paycheck for many years. Your reference to one present is uncalled for. Who knows maybe someday you could be in the same situation. Merry Christmas! "

ndnative wrote on Dec 14, 2008 10:44 PM:

" You know what is really sad about ND? The business people ONLY want to hire people at min wage, yet - they want to charge the customer top dollar. A woman in Bismarck has worked at the same place for 39 or 40 years, always shows up on time, dosen't take sick days or bad weather days and get this... she has been paid min wage, no health insurance, no retirement, furnished and still does, her own uniforms, her SS is less than $600 a month and so... she HAS to continue working full time to be able to make ends meet. She has ONLY the BASIC bills, housing, car insurance, food, MDU, telephone. So all you BOBCAT people who want to complain and worry about making it on $400 a week, this woman makes it on HALF that amount. The people of ND should stop voting the greed into office and start fighting back against the greedy business owners. Stop complaining, learn to budget and live with less. Trust me, it can be done and there are a lot of people who are worse off than you who only make $637 a month. "

sam wrote on Dec 14, 2008 9:55 PM:

" which sam were you addressing and who is kk? ND is affected because it starts out at the bottom "

To Snap wrote on Dec 14, 2008 8:19 PM:

" I agree with you. Although I feel bad for the Bobcat employees - what about the rest of the town that you are now taking business opportunities away from. We are self employed and have been out bid by some of you now because you are looking for quick income. The bobcat layoffs affect the entire community. The fact this family may have to do shift work is nothing new to our family. Its called life. 1 Christmas present come on you have all year to plan for these expenses. Sorry, I'm not a grinch but just tired of hearing about the poor bobcat workers - they are not the only ones experiencing layoffs or financial setbacks. "

GG wrote on Dec 14, 2008 8:13 PM:

" I sure feel bad for anyone who loses their job! Especially this time of the year!
The again, some people should lose their jobs! Like my paper delivery specialist!
He brings the paper,if he feels like it! Then he throws it where he feels! Even
after my wife,personally showed him where our tribune box is!! The tribune box
that i made a special trip to buy! This dude has an attitude that won't quit! I have notified his boss about 10 times ! My neighbor has already unsubscribed ,& i
plan on doing the same at the end of the month!! Have a Merry Christmas everyone !!!! "

susy wrote on Dec 14, 2008 7:19 PM:

" There are "help wanted" signs all over Bismarck there is no reason people are not able to find a job in this market. Higher wages mean higher prices for everything, higher taxes, etc - the list goes on. If people really want to work, there is work waiting for them. If they don't they need to readjust there way of living and make due with what they have. This is a generation of wanting everything and putting it on credit they don't have. "

x wrote on Dec 14, 2008 6:19 PM:

" very good story. i was one of the 150 that got laid off. while it was hard to loose my job, i knew i had to move on. i have since gotten a new job, and it feels good to be employed again. i miss seeing all my friends/excoworkers, it feels good to move on. i wish everyone still working at bobcat the best of luck. sure, this christmas season may not seem as "merry" as some from the past, but just think about how much better the ones in the future will be. merry christmas!

ps - i hope this is a big wake up call to the management of bobcat. i know the economy is in a hole right now......but those that work there know where i am coming from... "

Michael Holmes wrote on Dec 14, 2008 5:36 PM:

" As an injured worker from Bobcat, I have been worried about the ongoing situation of all my Union brothers, and sisters as they struggle. My thoughts and prayers are with each family this holiday season, as it is with the other families from other companies in this state that have lost their jobs.

I can understand the struggle, as I have struggled that past 19 months with almost the same dilemma with having to cut back on expenses. I receive about 66% of my pre-tax wage for a forty-hour week, as WSI does not take overtime into account on figuring your benefits. For the past 19 months, we have struggled with paying bills, cost of living going up, and having to comply with all of WSI demands no matter what it costs us personally out of our small income. It is tough deciding what to pay this week or next to keep yourself afloat, and to keep things going at home. I can understand the concerns here, although be happy your struggle will only be six weeks, and not 79 weeks and counting. I only receive about $100 more a week then they do on unemployment, which is a far cry from what I could make working.

Hang in there Bobcat employees; I am sure better times are ahead for all of you. "

To Sam wrote on Dec 14, 2008 4:23 PM:

" You sound so much like kk - yes - there is unemployment and people working more than one job in Bismarck. Hasn't it always been that way? It isn't necessarily because of what has happened with the economy lately. The state isn't affected nearly as much as other states. "

Snap wrote on Dec 14, 2008 4:21 PM:

" This is unbelievable! After 12 years a lousy 6 weeks is going to mean one present? Where does all their money go? They've got a nice house and who knows what else! And too bad about the shift! That's life! I remeber when North Dakotans never complained or whined about anything! You young folks got it real good and don't even know it! "

sam wrote on Dec 14, 2008 4:06 PM:

" "I would like to make a correction to this article, we are one of the 150 famililes that lost there jobs at Bobcat, just want everyone to realize that the 150 people for most of them it was not there choice it was to take a lay off with health insurance, with there so called severance package or take the chance of being called back someday when this nightmare clears up and loose the insurance at the end of the month! And for anyone that lives in the real world you know that you can't live without insurance, especially with kids! My husband gave all he had for that company, and he looked forward to going to work each day! I guess he would have been thankful just to have a postion to go back to no matter what shift it was on! My kids will be having a small christmas this year as well, and more than likely next year too, while the rest of these people will be back to work at bobcat!! So i believe that if you do still have a job there you should be just thankful!! "

To Union wrote on Dec 14, 2008 3:09 PM:

" I like the way everyone blames union employees for the demise of a factory or a factory moving overseas. The majority of the time its not the hourly workers fault at all, it's mismanagement and greed that causes business to fail or ship jobs elsewhere. I have a very close friend in management at GM who tells me labor costs only account for 10% of the cost of manufacturing a car. He says 90% of GM's problems are caused by mismanagement, maybe Washington should demand a pay cut for salaried automotive employees.Don't tell me unions are breaking companies, IR had $700 million in cash when they sold out to Doosan. Does it sound like their workforce wasn't competitive. If you read the fine print many companies in history have shipped a profitable plant to Mexico to increase profits, I call that greed. "

jb wrote on Dec 14, 2008 2:57 PM:

" The only bad thing is that they are getting rid of some of the really good hourly younger workers and keep alot of the older hourly workers (with seniority) who don't give a crap. And they get first choice at jobs which doesn't help people like Erin. "

Justathought wrote on Dec 14, 2008 2:40 PM:

" Although I do feel bad about the layoffs at Bobcat, I have to wonder how 1 1/2 months of 2 people getting paid $400 a week, which equals $4800 during the 6 week layoff is poverty level? The article states she lives in a modest home with 2 children. The couple will then go back to making their normal salaries, which is probably double that. I know many people who make it work on much less than that and are able to rent movies and order pizza. They should feel blessed to still have a job at Bobcat, being many people don't have a job at all there. "

Scott wrote on Dec 14, 2008 2:36 PM:

" If this couple both have full time jobs at Bobcat, you must have been making some good money during the last several years, no doubt you earned it however I am surprised that you are in that tough of shape already, I realize 6 weeks is a long time to go without a paycheck. The two of you will be collecing $800/week in unemployment benefits, are things so tight that you can't get by for 6 weeks at $800/week?I

Please don't take this as mean spirited it is my hope you are both returned to your jobs during the day shift so you can be with family as much as possible, it just seems so many people make good money and live pay check to pay check, it really surprises me. "

jay wrote on Dec 14, 2008 2:13 PM:

" Bobcat employees are not the only ones here dealing with lay offs. There are those of us who are the silent ones out here that are suffering from our lay offs due to the slowing of the economy,no publicity story for us and our struggles. "

Shawna wrote on Dec 14, 2008 1:34 PM:

" $406 a week multipied by 52 weeks multiplied by 2 employees = $42,224 a year (I realize you will not be on umeployement for a full year). That is not enough to sustain living? My husband and I make LESS then that working (i.e. not on unemployement) and we are both professionals with college degrees. We have no debt other then our mortgage. And we still have over $1K a month in discretionary income. Make a budget and see where the money is going. If you have debt that you are paying on, then that was a previous mistake made prior in life, and your situation was not cause by the layoff, but by how money was spent before you had it, and now you are paying it back. If you do not have debt, then you are just spending way too much. I would LOVE to have $800 income per week per person. Make a budget, there is a problem somewhere if you can not live off of $800 a week. "

PO3 wrote on Dec 14, 2008 1:20 PM:

" Unchecked govt spending and consumer spending money with the attitudes of our politicians and people that we'll pay it back later, has gotten us into the mess we find ourselves in. Look in the mirror many of you for the fix your in, get rid of those credit cards, and for god's sake don't vote the same politicians back into office in all 50 states who have done this to us. "

ToUnion wrote on Dec 14, 2008 12:31 PM:

" Why dont you ask the people that they escorted out the door Thursday about the union. They had no warning that they were losing there job, they went into the officew and were told they no longer had a job. At least with the union those people knew they would be without a job and could start planning for it. And if the economy turns around and Bobcat needs more employees again, the union members have recall rights to come back to work, those that were booted out do not. "

Billybob wrote on Dec 14, 2008 11:59 AM:

" Somebody might not be able to afford the $30,000 boat, $45,000 suburban, with the $50,000 camper. The Bank will still need those payements. I feel bad for the guys out of work. Especially the non union ones. Some of those guys have been living wayyyyy beyond their means for way to long.. prob should have stashed a little cash away for a rainy day... Good luck "

Empathetic Mom wrote on Dec 14, 2008 11:44 AM:

" Since 1996 my husband and I have been self employed and we could never have done it without the help of family. My son worked with us since he was 11 and our daughter babysat our baby. My mom would always be around for help and would babysit and pick up kids after school during the school months. When my mom passed away I didn't know how we were going to make it. We worked it out but it's not the same. There is nothing like the love and comfort of family. So to all the grandparents and other family members out there who help out their children with daycare so they can work GOD BLESS YOU. "

Online Editor wrote on Dec 14, 2008 10:45 AM:

" To bobcatworker: Your comment was in poor taste. "

Union wrote on Dec 14, 2008 10:03 AM:

" As far as the Union guy working with the plant to assure as many of the UNION people get the good shift...hasn't the Union already done enought???? keep it up, and they will shut the plant down. "

sam wrote on Dec 14, 2008 9:56 AM:

" nice story BUT they are not the only ones~ there are ALOT of families right here in Bismarck that have no jobs. It is time for this community to get their heads out of the clouds and face reality that ND is in bad times as well. I am so sick of hearing "how untouched" ND is~ give me a break. People here are working 2 and 3 jobs to survive~ this is good>???
Time to give back to the people and get rid of the good old boys that rule this state~ and it is corrupt~ do not think for a moment that ND is without corruption- they have it in the truest and worst sense. "

Online Editor wrote on Dec 14, 2008 8:51 AM:

" To Susy: Thanks for pointing out our error, I will fix it in the online edition. "

The Hawk wrote on Dec 14, 2008 7:49 AM:

" These are bad times all over. We must collectively "hold strong" in our community, extend ourselves to others, if we are to make it. Extending to others does not come naturally to many in this community, but it is natural in that it can be found in most human beings. "

Susy Geigle wrote on Dec 14, 2008 7:24 AM:

" What a well written story. I, however, have a personal touch to the article. Erin is my daughter. My only negative comment is that the spelling of Erin's last name is incorrect. It is Pehl, not Pale (although it sounds correct spelled like this). Erin told me of the article so I visited the Tribune website this morning as I live in West Fargo. "

Good luck wrote on Dec 14, 2008 6:58 AM:

" My heart goes out for this family. You are lucky in the sense that there are 2 parents. I am a single unemployed ( for the 1st time this Fall) parent, having a dickens of a time finding any work )I am experienced and educated, and have opted to ttry working "anything" but realized I cannot support us on $8-9/hr when regular expenses far and exceed that (no cable tv, no eating out, no extra anything - AND, no child support or alimony from the ex-husband, no welfare either). The bare minumum, with cost of living here, reality is, a single household with one child - needs at least $15/hr - Bare bones living. Bless you and the rest of us in the sinking ship - lets send Santa a letter while we're at it too "

Question wrote on Dec 14, 2008 6:01 AM:

" I have never seen an article, since the start of the temporary shutdowns, about the warehouse workers being laid off for the same time frame. Why is this? I think they should be mentioned in these articles, along with Bobcat Employees. The hourly associates will be on layoff status, along with Bobcat Employees. These people have families to, and I have seen no consideration given to them. It will be tougher for these guys, since they are not making Union wages. But it will be tough for everyone, with the economical crisis we are experiencing. Good Luck to all. "

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